an interview on Fox News last night President Trump went after three Democratic governors who have been critical of the federal government's response to the corona virus outbreak in the u.
New York's Andrew Cuomo Michigan's Gretchen Whitmer and Washington states jay Inslee most notably Trump questioned Cuomo statement about how many ventilators New York needs New York is a bigger deal but it's going to go also but I have a feeling that a lot of the numbers that are being said in some areas are just bigger than they're going to be I don't believe you need 40, 000 or 30, 000 ventilators you know you go into major hospitals sometimes they'll have two ventilators and now all of a sudden they're saying can we order 30, 000 ventilators your governor of Michigan I mean she's not stepping up I don't know if she knows what's going on but well she does to sit there and blame the federal government she doesn't get it done and we send her a lot now she wants a declaration of emergency and you know we'll have to make a decision on that but Michigan is a very important state I love the people of Michigan what they do I'm the one you know bring it back many many car factories into Michigan and she is a new governor and it's not been Pleasant we have people like governor Inslee he should be doing more he shouldn't be relying on the federal government governor Inslee that's the state of Washington he was a failed presidential candidate and you know he's always complaining so putting aside the fact that it is incredible that this president is lashing out at governors and criticizing them and mocking them at this time Jonathan Lemire his refusal to use the defense production act his refusal to actually organize this from the top and streamline the production of supplies to get them to the states only he has the power to do that and President Trump is choosing not to help States deal with this crisis in the most quick and effective way let me say it again President Trump is making the choice to not help the states in the most quick and effective way he's making that choice and leaving this to them and now I fear Jonathan Lemire and I wonder if you agree with this what you see happening is the next phase of this this county-by-county plan which looks like total chaos basically leaving it to the counties to figure out how to separate themselves from you know worse to best this is insanity and I wonder what the governors reactions must have been when they got this letter yesterday with this ridiculous ridiculous plan so governor is mica or at the front line of this pandemic and have been from the beginning and there is a great debate in state houses across the country as to how to best approach the federal government do you try to fight or you try to flatter president Trump it's that dynamic where governors are making decisions they know they need that they need federal response they can't do it on their own so they're trying to deal with a unique situation a president a president who pays an unprecedented amount of attention to particular media coverage and how the governors treat him mess we're seeing the last couple days my colleague and I we reported on this story just yesterday before news of this phone call President had the governor's which I'll get to in a second including Governor Cuomo who told aides about a week or so ago at the time he was deeply frustrated with the federal response but he figured the best way to motivate the President to do more would actually be to go on TV and flatter him even though at that moment Cuomo felt the president hadn't done anything to warrant that praise but he did they did then again later in a private phone call of the president the president told you who around him but hey Andrew quo he said really nice things about me and then changed his own rhetoric to the governor now we've seen the last couple days it has now changed back that has been very hot and cold but yesterday in the interview with with Fox News reflects what happened earlier in the day and a phone call the President had with the governors in which jay Inslee really urged him to step up because the President had said to them and this is the message we're getting from from him over and over that the states should play the primary role and the federal government even though it has vastly larger resources will be their backup will help us need it and jay Inslee said to him in that call we don't need a backup we need a Tom Brady meaning we need a starting star quarterback to lead the way lead a president to take the helm here and Trump irritated by that on the call and then we heard last night he's looking for the states to step up and that's also why with the defense protection reduction act mica as a final point he is reluctant to say it because this way keeps the onus on the state's rather than the federal government's mobilization if things take a turn for the worse so really quickly Zeke Emanuel and I know we want to get to Jon Meacham but that the concern is every day when the president sort of throws out these bombs that he's deflecting from our total incompetence at this point because there is no mass testing how far away are we from real testing across the board not some testing for some some testing for others testing that doesn't match how far away are we from being out of the dark honestly we I don't know because we've had so many mistakes with the testing I do think we have a massively improved the testing but it's nowhere near adequate you know we have what about four or five hundred thousand tests in this country comparable to South Korea and yet were seven times larger than South Korea so it gives you a sense of how far behind and we have to do smart testing it's not just test test test we need to know what the prevalence in the community is we need to have some good surveys and we need to also begin testing people who aren't asymptomatic the threshold for testing still remains way too high and getting the results is too long I just got an email yesterday from a professor out in California nine days they've been waiting for the result that is totally unacceptable and again this is just time we wasted between January and now not getting things arranged and having multiple mistakes along the way to get testing out and the last thing I would say is we need to pull that testing out of hospitals you don't need health professionals risking getting sick and having lots of people who might have corona virus right near hospitals we have to get it all out of the hospitals and healthcare system into these mobile drive-through walk-up places that's just as important because we need keep the those people who might be positive away from a hospital emergency room where there may be people who aren't positive Jon Meacham it's been fascinating to watch as Jonathan Lumiere just reported out these governors learn what world leaders have learned over the last three years in dealing with Donald Trump and that is that flattery might end up getting you what you need in a crisis it might end up getting you those ventilators in PPE Andrew Cuomo the governor of New York who's known Donald Trump for decades clearly knows this and has known this for a long time so they've sort of had to tap-dance around the personality that's in the Oval Office to get literally life-saving protection life-saving equipment and there have been moments you heard Governor Cuomo say for the life of me I don't understand why we haven't invoked the defense production Act but by and large they've learned that flattery is the way to get what you need from this president yeah and it's fundamentally unamerican I mean one of the reasons we fought the American Revolution was to avoid having our fates be subject to the whims of a king at least in the popular imagination that was a central force behind the creation of the Republic America was supposed to put reason at the center of the national enterprise and there I can't imagine another situation which is more designed better for they send centrality of data and the dictates of science and the fact that this sounds partisan is heartbreaking but we're living in a polarized pandemic it's it's incredible we've managed now to take everything including a life-and-death invisible and totally chaos inducing disease and turn it into a red blue issue my heart sank last night when I was looking at the map of the outbreaks and realized how closely it seems to track the red blue county-by-county map I'd urge folks to look at that because I think tragically there's going to be some reflection of people's there's clearly a reflection of how people view the virus with their political views and one of the things we have to figure out a way to do in the midst of the fear in the midst of the anxiety is can we follow the data can we follow the doctors and can the doctors to go to your point resist that monarch achill pressure to make the king happy seems to me that's a central obligation of the medical professionals and of the citizens you know let's if there's any way at all let's try not to fall into this ambient tribalism you know you can disagree with the President on everything and still think maybe he has a point on this or that you can be for the President on just about everything and think you know what I think he's got that wrong that that's called reason right that's called America you know you you you you follow the data and at this point is a matter of life and death yeah because you can raise hell right and you sorry I make I'm just gonna say if you dare raise hell if you do because literally the life of your citizens depends on it he calls in to Sean Hannity show and rips you as a failed presidential candidate that's the balance these governors are looking at yeah but the lesson is no matter what you do he won't be there for you when you need them and and he'll turn on you in a heartbeat so I don't know maybe that approach just puts off the inevitable but we'll stick to facts here because I do agree with Jon Meacham as you watch this pandemic pandemic sort of play out it is so polarized at this time given where we are were before it broke out but look at this fact in Palm Beach County Florida okay where there are many many senior citizens where Maura Lagos its population of 1.
4 million Floridians here's how many tests have been given 1, 100 66 that's 0.
1% of the third largest county in the state and also an area that is supposed to be the next hot spot we are way behind and the folks on the front lines who are predicting a horror show in places like New York City I don't know I'm not sure how they turned this around at this point still ahead on Morning Joe from our NBC affiliate in Boston surging coronavirus cases in new york prompt serious measures in new england we'll talk to Boston mayor Marty Walsh about his city's fight against the pandemic straight ahead but first as dr.
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